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Le Messie de Dune

Le Messie de Dune

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  • Author：Frank Herbert
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Summary

Douze ans après sa victoire sur Arrakis， Paul règne sur un empire meurtri par une guerre sainte qu'il ne contrôle plus。
Vénéré comme un messie par ses fidèles， il est prisonnier de ses visions， incapable de mettre fin à la violence。
Quel sera le prix de la rédemption ？

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Reviews

j ，

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers。 To view it， click here。 Hot take I liked this pretty equally to Dune。。。and it wasn't nearly as slow which was a huge plusIdc that we didn't see the jihadBest: the ideas on religion and government。 So good。 Hot take I liked this pretty equally to Dune。。。and it wasn't nearly as slow which was a huge plusIdc that we didn't see the jihadBest: the ideas on religion and government。 So good。 。。。more

Bohbrek ，

Interesting book at moments， but for the most part it feels like a filler book that is leading to Children of Dune。 Compared to Dune， it is somehow smaller in scope， restrained and empty。 What saves it from being a terrible read is it's shortness， it quickly establishes new lines of plot and what we need to know for the next book that is part two of the same story， so I hope the next book will be better， a fitting conclusion。 Interesting book at moments， but for the most part it feels like a filler book that is leading to Children of Dune。 Compared to Dune， it is somehow smaller in scope， restrained and empty。 What saves it from being a terrible read is it's shortness， it quickly establishes new lines of plot and what we need to know for the next book that is part two of the same story， so I hope the next book will be better， a fitting conclusion。 。。。more

Uglyboy ，

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers。 To view it， click here。 can’t get over how much i loved this！ some of the most imaginative things i’ve ever read are in this book。 the chapters where paul visits his sisters church service up to a nuke melting his eyeballs is why i love to read <3

Matt Seay ，

After really enjoying the world and story that Herbert created and told in the first book， and seeing the poor reviews for the sequel， I really wanted to love this book。 At some moments I did， but overall I felt that the story told here was drawn out and stretched thin; even though the length of this book was only a a third of the first。 I felt that subplots were not fleshed out and just left me wondering why thirty pages were given to begin them when they played such a small role in the end。 Wh After really enjoying the world and story that Herbert created and told in the first book， and seeing the poor reviews for the sequel， I really wanted to love this book。 At some moments I did， but overall I felt that the story told here was drawn out and stretched thin; even though the length of this book was only a a third of the first。 I felt that subplots were not fleshed out and just left me wondering why thirty pages were given to begin them when they played such a small role in the end。 What I did enjoy most was how Herbert continued to flesh out the story of Paul wrestling with his responsibly and the consequences of his actions that began in the first book。 。。。more

Ally Perrin ，

"The flesh surrenders itself。 Eternity takes back its own。 Our bodies stirred these waters briefly， danced with a certain intoxication before the love of life and self， dealt with a few strange ideas， then submitted to the instruments of Time。 What can we say of this？ I occurred。 I am not。。。yet， I occurred。" "The flesh surrenders itself。 Eternity takes back its own。 Our bodies stirred these waters briefly， danced with a certain intoxication before the love of life and self， dealt with a few strange ideas， then submitted to the instruments of Time。 What can we say of this？ I occurred。 I am not。。。yet， I occurred。" 。。。more

Sanja ，

3。5

Teo Ekstrom ，

This is clearly a 'middle book' between book 1 and book 3， and it served its purpose。 It's the Empire Strikes Back of the series--not in that it's good， but in that it scatters our heroes to the winds， leaving an uncertain future where anything could happen。 There were clearly questions in here about the challenges of ruling， self-determination， etc。 Herbert was trying to do a "what if power corrupts" thing。。。but I already know that power corrupts！ I bet at the time it was sick tho。 This is clearly a 'middle book' between book 1 and book 3， and it served its purpose。 It's the Empire Strikes Back of the series--not in that it's good， but in that it scatters our heroes to the winds， leaving an uncertain future where anything could happen。 There were clearly questions in here about the challenges of ruling， self-determination， etc。 Herbert was trying to do a "what if power corrupts" thing。。。but I already know that power corrupts！ I bet at the time it was sick tho。 。。。more

Daneel Lynn ，

坦白說，除了元祖 Dune 以外，我沒看過 Dune 系列的作品，為此當年在英國還被室友笑過。一來是因為不是很喜歡 Dune，而且對沒完沒了的大系沒興趣，二來則是受到一堆評論影響，被灌輸 Dune 愈寫愈爛的想法。事實證明，總是要自己讀過才知道好壞。這回接在 Glorifying Terrorism 閱讀本書格外有意義。因為本書討論到所有恐怖（激進、革命、理想。。。。。。請自行替換）分子所無法（其實應該是不敢）想像的情境：要是我們成功了、掌權了，會變成什麼樣子？Paul Atreides 就是個血淋淋的典範。你不可能拔除所有的既得利益敵對勢力，而在建立新秩序的同時，殺人如麻只是剛好而已，理想未能達成之前，狐假虎威的狗子們反倒先建立起自己的權力與利益結構，而你又沒有辦法翦除他們，因為少了他們事情也沒辦法做。。。。。。很不幸地你又是至高無上的「神」，這些責任全都只能概括承受，比起被搞下臺恐怕還痛苦億萬倍。由於讀者都是從 Dune 看下來，自然會站在同情、同理 Atreides 家族的立場；然而，不知是刻意為了宣傳效果還是真的抱持著和我類似的想法，封底特別標榜記在 Paul Atreides 坦白說，除了元祖 Dune 以外，我沒看過 Dune 系列的作品，為此當年在英國還被室友笑過。一來是因為不是很喜歡 Dune，而且對沒完沒了的大系沒興趣，二來則是受到一堆評論影響，被灌輸 Dune 愈寫愈爛的想法。事實證明，總是要自己讀過才知道好壞。這回接在 Glorifying Terrorism 閱讀本書格外有意義。因為本書討論到所有恐怖（激進、革命、理想。。。。。。請自行替換）分子所無法（其實應該是不敢）想像的情境：要是我們成功了、掌權了，會變成什麼樣子？Paul Atreides 就是個血淋淋的典範。你不可能拔除所有的既得利益敵對勢力，而在建立新秩序的同時，殺人如麻只是剛好而已，理想未能達成之前，狐假虎威的狗子們反倒先建立起自己的權力與利益結構，而你又沒有辦法翦除他們，因為少了他們事情也沒辦法做。。。。。。很不幸地你又是至高無上的「神」，這些責任全都只能概括承受，比起被搞下臺恐怕還痛苦億萬倍。由於讀者都是從 Dune 看下來，自然會站在同情、同理 Atreides 家族的立場；然而，不知是刻意為了宣傳效果還是真的抱持著和我類似的想法，封底特別標榜記在 Paul Atreides 帳上的人命多達 6。1 * 10^10；寫起來是很輕鬆，仔細想想可不只是不寒而慄。所以，表面上看起來，這是一個很緊湊的多方陰謀故事，我個人卻認為這是殺遍全宇宙的唯一神找回自己的經歷。只有找回自己，Paul 才有可能破除包含手下在內的所有算計，同時完納對自己與對全宇宙的救贖。革命革命，還是得要先革自己的命。這條路不好走，Alia 就跳不出來。聽起來很 New Wave，事實上 Herbert 灌入許多內心探索的片段，這就是 New Wave 了。同時也可以證明：加入 New Wave 風格不會讓小說變得難看；張老大，你又錯了一次。 。。。more

Claudia Rondón ，

Oh boy。 It really hit me this time。 It really overwhelmed me this time。A war in which it is used psychic weapons。 Fanaticism as a deathly knive。 Consciousness against consciousness。 Plans between plans。 He remains above all of them。 Our Muad'Dib。 It explores the real and ugly potential about the yihad and what it does to ignorant lambs。 So contemporary to our present reality。 So difficult almost impossible to erase。 So， this time I understood。 *quite ambiguous this review。 But it's not a proper Oh boy。 It really hit me this time。 It really overwhelmed me this time。A war in which it is used psychic weapons。 Fanaticism as a deathly knive。 Consciousness against consciousness。 Plans between plans。 He remains above all of them。 Our Muad'Dib。 It explores the real and ugly potential about the yihad and what it does to ignorant lambs。 So contemporary to our present reality。 So difficult almost impossible to erase。 So， this time I understood。 *quite ambiguous this review。 But it's not a proper review though。 Just a inner peace with the ending* 。。。more

Ali Ahmet Turunç ，

Beauty。

Delaney ，

I understand why people may be disappointed in this one。 After Dune being roughly 600 pages， and this being half of that length， it does feel like a novel that’s been split in half。 However！ There is so much to unravel with this one， and a lot of big events happen that shocked me for sure。 I definitely think this is a book that may get looked over on a first read through， but one you’d find something new in if you reread it。 Excited to continue with Children of Dune！

Lucia Garcia Díaz Miguel ，

Al menos me ha servido para ponerme en orden。 Acabé Dune un poco perdida y ahora me han quedado claras muchas cosas

Kurage ，

Better than the first book at least。 Still a lot wrong with it I disliked。

Михаил ，

Книга ощущается скорее не как сиквел （если мы опустим некоторые повторы-объяснения）， а как вырезанный кусок первой книги， что， безусловно， подчёркивает талант Фрэнка писать аккуратно вплетённые продолжения。 Всю книгу происходит буквально ничего до одного момента， к которому， собственно， готовятся вообще все действующие лица。 Во время этого "ничего" раскрываются персонажи за счёт внутренних переживаний и общения друг с другом。 В этот раз и без того проработанный мир дополняется не так усиленно， к Книга ощущается скорее не как сиквел （если мы опустим некоторые повторы-объяснения）， а как вырезанный кусок первой книги， что， безусловно， подчёркивает талант Фрэнка писать аккуратно вплетённые продолжения。 Всю книгу происходит буквально ничего до одного момента， к которому， собственно， готовятся вообще все действующие лица。 Во время этого "ничего" раскрываются персонажи за счёт внутренних переживаний и общения друг с другом。 В этот раз и без того проработанный мир дополняется не так усиленно， как в первой книге， но книга при этом не ощущается вымученным огрызком。 Когда наступает тот самый момент， книга стремительно перестаёт быть неспешной и вываливает тонну экшена во всех смыслах， подводя к очень эффектному завершению еще одной главы хроник Дюны。 。。。more

Jeremy ，

Sci fi that makes itself noble :）。 It's slow burn sci-fi， the plot is the character， I don't think it's get more lovingly pretentious than this Sci fi that makes itself noble :）。 It's slow burn sci-fi， the plot is the character， I don't think it's get more lovingly pretentious than this 。。。more

Austin Johnson ，

I think this Dune book is more controversial for the fanbase， but I was personally a big fan。 Some of the things that happen are a little weird， but I think it was a great way to continue the series and set up stuff later in the series。

Michelle ，

I feel like this book was a good preparation for the new marvel movie the multiverse because reading from Paul infinite futures perspective it felt like he’s taking about a multitude of multiverses。 I liked the lyrical approach to the writing。 I also like knowing that this book is doing its own thing and you can either get off the train of confusion and madness or enjoy the ride。 I definitely enjoyed the ride and after passing the 50th page mark I kept coming back to this book in and way that I I feel like this book was a good preparation for the new marvel movie the multiverse because reading from Paul infinite futures perspective it felt like he’s taking about a multitude of multiverses。 I liked the lyrical approach to the writing。 I also like knowing that this book is doing its own thing and you can either get off the train of confusion and madness or enjoy the ride。 I definitely enjoyed the ride and after passing the 50th page mark I kept coming back to this book in and way that I didn’t with dune。 It may due the fact that I am more invested in the charters and the fact that I accepted that this book will be a crazy time， and therefore looking forward to it。 The ending of the sequel gave the feeling like it could’ve been the end of the series。 As if the ending it gave could’ve been the final ending and life just went on in the book。 I’m unsure if I’m exited or nervous about the next few books but we will see。 Very much recommend and also suggest having sticky notes on hand because there are some killer quotes。 9。13。21 2:21 am 。。。more

Matthew Smale ，

Not enough Dunes。

Nicholas Taylor ，

A lot of people recommend only reading the first novel in the Dune series （Dune itself）。 Some others recommend reading only the first few that Frank Herbert himself finished。 Still more quite enjoy all the ones his son has written。 I don't expect I'll go that far， but I was curious about the first few sequels so I thought I'd give Messiah a go。Most of what makes the original great is still here， but fundamentally Messiah just seems unnecessary。 There's a big time skip and then the plot revolves A lot of people recommend only reading the first novel in the Dune series （Dune itself）。 Some others recommend reading only the first few that Frank Herbert himself finished。 Still more quite enjoy all the ones his son has written。 I don't expect I'll go that far， but I was curious about the first few sequels so I thought I'd give Messiah a go。Most of what makes the original great is still here， but fundamentally Messiah just seems unnecessary。 There's a big time skip and then the plot revolves around the ongoing jihad of unbelievable proportion （61 billion killed？）。 The world is still incredible and the internal monologues are as perfect as they are in the first book， so why not enjoy the characters a little more， even if the experience seems superfluous。 。。。more

Rumman Kabir ，

Reread of the classic in audiobook form。 Amazing as usual with great narration。

Rufus ，

Damn damn。

Sven ，

Dune Part 1 was a fascinating mess。 Like all great art it held the promise of so much more。Sequels are regularly uninspired and largely unnecessary but they expand on a universe that you love。 This one however managed to contract the epic world of Dune into a number of what could essentially have been Zoom conference calls。 This is 300 pages of talking heads doing a "tell don't show" with ridiculous language， ridiculous！ Prose and dialog was never great in Dune but it didn't get in the way。 Here Dune Part 1 was a fascinating mess。 Like all great art it held the promise of so much more。Sequels are regularly uninspired and largely unnecessary but they expand on a universe that you love。 This one however managed to contract the epic world of Dune into a number of what could essentially have been Zoom conference calls。 This is 300 pages of talking heads doing a "tell don't show" with ridiculous language， ridiculous！ Prose and dialog was never great in Dune but it didn't get in the way。 Here the prose feels like padding and the dialog makes you wonder how Herbert even finished the book。After reading this bit I just wanted the book to be over: “Hai！ Hai！ What a callous lout you’ve become。 And you said you came seeking truth。”“Perhaps I only seek the future。”“Well spoken。 Now we know each other。 When two thieves meet they need no introduction。”“So were thieves。 What do we steal？”“Not thieves but dice。 And you came here to read my spots。 I， in turn， read yours。 And lo！ You have two faces！” Where Dune Part 1 felt like a story of a thousand pages condensed into 500， Dune Part 2 felt like a story of a page and a half blown up to 500 pages （and the book only has 290）。 There is absolutely no world building here。 In fact there is some world un-building sprinkled throughout the text via references to the "ancient" world （namely Lebanon）。 Also， at some point Paul's BFF （from Part 1） Stilgar is sent off screen to do homework on Hitler。The ending could have been good， I guess but I just didn't feel it， sorry。This is from page 130: “Ahhh，” he said。“Ahhh？ What does that mean – ahhh？” She was suddenly angry with him and the reason for it escaped her。 The story could have just ended there。 It feels like a natural breaking point。 。。。more

Alvar Gomar ，

Complex， and a bit low in developments around the middle of the book， but very much enjoyed the read overall

R Mayers ，

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers。 To view it， click here。 This book in the Dune saga explores the solitary life of leadership， set against the blessing and curse of prescience。 There is a transformation of Paul in this book that is unsettling for the hero worshippers of the original Dune book。 As with all transformations， beauty is in the eye of the beholder。 Can a person hate a thing they sought to accomplish once accomplished？ Is the truth， real truth not manufactured truth， worse than the ideal presented in one’s own mind about the ‘good’ that will This book in the Dune saga explores the solitary life of leadership， set against the blessing and curse of prescience。 There is a transformation of Paul in this book that is unsettling for the hero worshippers of the original Dune book。 As with all transformations， beauty is in the eye of the beholder。 Can a person hate a thing they sought to accomplish once accomplished？ Is the truth， real truth not manufactured truth， worse than the ideal presented in one’s own mind about the ‘good’ that will be done by one’s own actions。 Paul figured it out。 Saw many futures and realized some things cannot be predicted and in that realization， became mortal and completed his path。 It’s a fantastic read。 I really enjoyed。 I may be alone on this one but that’s okay。 Herbert’s layers upon layers is as complex as those in the Christian Bible。 What he has done here is brilliant。 。。。more

Sheikh Plushcrown ，

gets a bit too weird and confusing but still a fun read

Miria TheBookHunter ，

Secondo episodio della saga， siamo 12 anni più avanti rispetto a dove eravamo rimasti。 Paul prosegue il suo percorso da "messia" e fra i mille futuri incompleti che riesce a vedere， deve riuscire a far avverare il meno doloroso e devastante sia per il popolo sia per la sua famiglia， il tutto ostacolato da nuovi complotti contro di lui。 Secondo episodio della saga， siamo 12 anni più avanti rispetto a dove eravamo rimasti。 Paul prosegue il suo percorso da "messia" e fra i mille futuri incompleti che riesce a vedere， deve riuscire a far avverare il meno doloroso e devastante sia per il popolo sia per la sua famiglia， il tutto ostacolato da nuovi complotti contro di lui。 。。。more

Ülkü ，

the ending actually physically harmed me

Ivonet ，

Absolutely loved Dune。 Read this one to and I kinda regret it。 I do not think I will continue with the rest。 Dune will just have be treated like a complete standalone from now on by me。

Tessa1123 ，

3。5 StarNot sure if I enjoyed the sequel as much as the original。 A book about Paul slowly descends into madness。 I had skipped some of the monologue parts in the story as they do become lengthy and repetitive。 In saying that， it is still worthing reading。

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